Rudy Giuliani claims that facts are in “the eye of the beholder.”

By | 2018-08-16T13:32:15+00:00 August 16th, 2018|Categories: News|Tags: , , , , , |17 Comments

Courtesy of Newsweek:

In a back and forth exchange between Giuliani and Chris Cuomo on CNN’s Cuomo Prime Time, the former mayor of New York City called Trump one of the most honest presidents in history.

“If fact counting is anything, we’ve never had anybody with the level of mendacity that he has,” Cuomo quickly responded, likely alluding to the over 4,000 false or misleading claims Trump has made, according to The Washington Post since taking office.

“It’s in the eye of the beholder,” Giuliani said. When Cuomo tried to respond that factual statements are not in the eye of the beholder, the attorney answered with “nowadays they are.”

Now, where have we heard something like this before?

Oh yeah, Kellyanne Conway saying that there was such a thing as “alternative facts.”

This entire administration is completely divorced from any facts that challenge their version of the truth, and it is up to the media to keep reminding the public that facts do, not only matter, but exist. 

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17 Comments

  1. Anon August 16, 2018 at 4:36 am - Reply

    An ex Republican friend, who turned out to not be a friend, would go along with Giuliani’s perverse distortion about facts. Rudy’s BS is perfect for people who live and create their cognitive distortions which is to first have a thought and then look for a fact to prove the thought is real to the exclusion of all other pertinent facts.
    Rational and logical people first take facts then arrive at a conclusion. They ask for concrete information of demonstrable facts. Trump, Giuliani and my ex friend make statements and if they can’t find a fact they make facts up. They “tell themselves” effectively stories about people and things. They create a book of fiction to serve a defect and sick need of theirs. Primarily to not ever be accountable or responsible for what they say and do or the outcomes. Conflicting true and even easily verifiable facts are rejected, deleted to “telling self” facts are lies. They will refuse to verify or look at evidence to the contrary of what they claim from their extreme thoughts as if they know things without factual information. I am sick of such toxic people.

  2. Anonymous August 16, 2018 at 4:41 am - Reply

    Giuliani should go to prison with the rest of them for lying to the American public.

  3. Beaglemom August 16, 2018 at 5:50 am - Reply

    I thought it was “beauty” that was “in the eye of the beholder.” Facts are facts but to Republicans facts are whatever they say whenever they say it, I guess.

  4. anon August 16, 2018 at 7:54 am - Reply

    https://www.politicususa.com/2018/08/16/trump-has-an-epic-meltdown-over-newspapers-defending-the-first-amendment.html

    “rump’s definition of fake news is any coverage that is not fawning over or supporting his administration. The Trump administration believes that the press should only cover what they think are the good things that the Trump administration is doing. They don’t want the corruption, the Russia scandals, or any other policy failure of this White House to be covered. Kellyanne Conway went as far as to say that Trump wants to control what the American people see in the news by making sure that the press only reports “relevant news.””
    “rump has lived his life in a self-created myth, and the free press is shattering that myth, which is why Trump is melting down and trying to destroy press freedom in the United States of America.’

    https://www.politicususa.com/2018/08/16/350-news-outlets-publish-editorials-denouncing-trumps-war-on-the-press.html

    “Editorials are appearing today from Maine to Hawaii, speaking up against the president’s attacks.”

    • anon August 16, 2018 at 9:21 am - Reply

      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/why-a-free-press-matters/567676/?utm_source=twb

      ‘The role of the press is to ask hard questions and refuse to be deterred even when someone powerful claims, “Nothing to see here.”’
      “The winds of instability howl from many directions: a sustained attack on press freedom from those in political power, crumbling business models, rapidly changing technologies, and some self-inflicted wounds. This is a test, not only for those of us who work in journalism, but also for the nation as a whole.” ” Despite the negative perception in some circles, almost every American journalist I have ever met is at the core patriotic. We wish our fellow Americans well. We hope our government leads with moral clarity and wisdom. And we want it to succeed in making us a more peaceful, prosperous, and just country. Nevertheless, our constitutional role often puts us in an adversarial position to our government.”

      ” when American men and women in uniform headed to Afghanistan to fight, reporters were embedded with units to cover the story. In general, there was not enough skepticism at the time in our reporting. We should have asked harder questions about whether we were committing enough resources to the war, and whether the special operations-led campaign was the right approach.

      9/11>Then, almost immediately, we started hearing from high-level officials in the George W. Bush administration, especially Vice President Dick Cheney, of a place that had been off the radar of most Americans for some time: Iraq. And soon we were at war with another country.” “The war destabilized a region that was already unstable. In the intervening years, we have seen Iran rise in power, Syria descend into a horrific civil war, and isis and other terrorist groups emerge. The Iraq War cost roughly 4,500 American lives, with thousands more severely injured, not to mention those lives lost by our allies and the large numbers of Iraqis who died since the invasion. Estimates put the financial cost to the United States at around $2 trillion. It is a troubling lesson about the dangers of unintended consequences.
      ” It must be noted that while there was wide press failure in these times, some reporters and outlets stood firm with investigative reporting that called the entire rationale for war into question. They faced tough criticism at the time, and they deserve our unmitigated appreciation.” ” At the time of the Iraq War, news outlets that had already been contending with shrinking revenues, job layoffs, and general uncertainty now faced the challenges posed by the internet. The rate at which this digital revolution has upended the model of journalism cannot be overstated. And as journalistic operations were consolidated into large corporations, reporters increasingly felt the pressure not to pursue unpopular storylines that might incur the wrath of the administration and thus harm the bottom line and shareholder value.” “the press is emboldened with a newfound resilience for investigative journalism and truth-telling. There is an almost daily competition for blockbuster headlines among the Times, the Post, and many other print and electronic outlets. This is how we have learned about cover-ups, shady dealings, bad policy, and outright lies from our elected officials. The responsible press has been hit with the ludicrous mantra of “fake news,” but I believe these insults will only strengthen journalists’ resolve.”

      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/why-a-free-press-matters/567676/?utm_source=twb

    • ANON August 16, 2018 at 10:11 am - Reply

      Excerpts FB>”He’s mad because the Press, after months of being attacked by Trump, after months of daily being labelled as “the enemy of the people” by the President of the United States, is today fighting back with coordinated editorials in major outlets across the country condemning this administration’s attacks on the founding principles of our country.
      Trump: “The Boston Globe, which was sold to the the Failing New York Times for 1.3 BILLION DOLLARS (plus 800 million dollars in losses & investment), or 2.1 BILLION DOLLARS, was then sold by the Times for 1 DOLLAR. Now the Globe is in COLLUSION with other papers on free press. PROVE IT!”
      Once again, Trump equates freedom to money (and got it wrong, in that his figures aren’t correct).
      It’s exactly what I wrote about in Zero Sum, the whitest of white privilege.
      For people like Trump, money and freedom are the same thing, but it’s more than that. In Trump’s mind those who have money deserve it, and deserve all the privilege that comes with it. And those who don’t have money, they deserve their poverty and second class citizenship. Trump literally can’t talk about freedom, liberty, justice, civil rights, government, without immediately pivoting to money. Every. Time.”
      “Trump: “THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA IS THE OPPOSITION PARTY. It is very bad for our Great Country….BUT WE ARE WINNING!”
      “The Press is NOT the enemy of the people.
      The Press is the enemy of tyrants.
      The Press is the watchdog of liberty.
      That does NOT mean you have to agree with any particular journalist or media outlet.
      That does NOT mean the Press is always right. Or to be trusted without a critical eye. Or without responsibility. ”
      “it is fascinating to me how those who claim they would fight to the death to prevent ANY restriction of ANY kind upon the Second Amendment are so determined to restrict the First.”
      “It is the very tyranny our Founders feared from a president more than anything else.Trump’s attack on the Press is nothing less than an attack on the Constitution itself. It is an attack on the very foundation of this country. It is an attack on the fundamental principles of America. It is an attack on YOU, Citizen.”
      “Trump is the very tyrant our Founders warned us about. The very one.
      When government decides what constitutes “freedom of the press” there IS no freedom of the press.
      When government declares itself the sole arbiter of truth, there IS no truth.”
      Jim Wright

  5. Anonymous August 16, 2018 at 8:55 am - Reply

    LOL!! Trumps Self Inflicted Injury Attorney

  6. anon August 16, 2018 at 10:19 am - Reply

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/trump-met-match-omarosa-hints-handed-incriminating-evidence-mueller/

    ‘“There’s some things that are involved in this investigation, the Mueller investigation, that I was very careful not to put in the book,” ““I can’t even talk about the things that I talked with them,” Manigault said. “I can’t talk about the things I’ve submitted to them, but I want you to know that I fully continue to cooperate with this investigation.”

    She stood by her claims, and stated that she could prove them.

    “I have been able to verify every single thing that I put in the book,” Manigault said. “I’ve verified everything I’ve stated, and every single time the Trump people challenge me, I bring the receipts.””What does Donald Trump have to hide?””

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/omarosas-latest-secret-recording-shows-lara-trump-offered-15000-month-stayed-positive/

    ““I think it’s important as people question the credibility of everything you see in Unhinged…I think it’s important not only to point to these things but to also blow the whistle on the corruption in this family, in this administration, in this campaign,”
    Omarosa told MSNBC’s Craig Melvin.”

  7. Anonymous August 16, 2018 at 10:53 am - Reply

    “It’s in the eye of the beholder,” Giuliani said.
    =============
    My mother use to call LIARS, strangers to the truth. Giuliani calls it “in the eye of the beholder”

    Either way, a lie is a lie and they are LIARS because “they can’t handle the truth”.

  8. anonymous August 16, 2018 at 12:19 pm - Reply

    This is nothing new.

    It started long before third rate movie actor Ronald Reagan and even before Richard Nixon and his ratfucking plumbers.

    But it really got rolling during the reign of Bush the Dumber.

    See if this seems familiar or prescient:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/faith-certainty-and-the-presidency-of-george-w-bush.html

    “In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn’t like about Bush’s former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House’s displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn’t fully comprehend — but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

    The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

    Who besides guys like me are part of the reality-based community? Many of the other elected officials in Washington, it would seem. A group of Democratic and Republican members of Congress were called in to discuss Iraq sometime before the October 2002 vote authorizing Bush to move forward. A Republican senator recently told Time Magazine that the president walked in and said: “Look, I want your vote. I’m not going to debate it with you.” When one of the senators began to ask a question, Bush snapped, “Look, I’m not going to debate it with you.”

    The 9/11 commission did not directly address the question of whether Bush exerted influence over the intelligence community about the existence of weapons of mass destruction. That question will be investigated after the election, but if no tangible evidence of undue pressure is found, few officials or alumni of the administration whom I spoke to are likely to be surprised. “If you operate in a certain way — by saying this is how I want to justify what I’ve already decided to do, and I don’t care how you pull it off — you guarantee that you’ll get faulty, one-sided information,” Paul O’Neill, who was asked to resign his post of treasury secretary in December 2002, said when we had dinner a few weeks ago. “You don’t have to issue an edict, or twist arms, or be overt.””

    So you know..same shit different verse.

  9. Whatevs August 16, 2018 at 2:15 pm - Reply

    @anon 7:54 Does everyone remember when Mike Pence was Gov. of Indiana and he tried to start a propaganda arm of the government?

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/07/14/mike_pence_once_tried_to_start_a_government_propaganda_outlet_in_indiana.html

    • ANON August 16, 2018 at 2:54 pm - Reply

      ” if they have anything to bond over, I’m guessing it’s a mutual distaste for the press. ” “the governor was planning to start a “state-run taxpayer-funded news outlet that will make pre-written news stories available to Indiana media,
      as well as sometimes break news about his administration.” The website, JustIN” “Pravda on the Plains,” and headlines like, “Welcome to the Gulag, Love, Mike Pence.”

      https://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2015/01/29/pence-ditches-state-run-news-site-plan-after-uproar/22530263/

      “The plan quickly became the object of ridicule across the nation, drawing comparisons to state-run media in countries such as North Korea and China”

  10. Whatevs August 16, 2018 at 2:31 pm - Reply

    Wonkette has a few things wrong. Grassley isn’t up for reelection until 2022, sadly. Burr would also be up for re-election in 2022, but is retiring (he says) and not running then. Nunes is the only one up for re-election in 2018. But, if they are no longer in the majority, they may not get their committee assignments!

  11. anon August 16, 2018 at 2:44 pm - Reply

    OT?
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/there-are-questions-swirling-around-ohio-attorney-general-mike-dewines-handling-of-sexual-harassment-cases_us_5b748a7be4b0df9b093bc87a

    “Mike DeWine, the attorney general and Republican nominee to replace Gov. John Kasich, had placed a law firm with deep ties to Republicans in charge of investigating sexual harassment claims against a longtime GOP power broker. ”
    The Current Scandal

    DeWine won his party’s nomination for governor easily in May. He is now virtually tied in the polls with Democrat Richard Cordray, the former director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. ““The attorney general had an obligation to make sure that the firm they selected to investigate is not going to turn a blind eye. If you wanted an investigation to go away quickly, what would you want to do? You would want your buddies to investigate, and that’s exactly what happened here.””

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