Neither the MAGAbomber nor the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter are being charged with terrorism, here’s why.

By | 2018-10-28T16:21:59+00:00 October 28th, 2018|Categories: News|Tags: , , , , , |18 Comments

In a nutshell, there ain’t no such law.

Courtesy of Times of Israel:

According to the Anti-Defamation League, Robert Bowers carried out what is likely the deadliest attack against the Jewish community in American history when he opened fire inside a Pittsburgh synagogue on Saturday, killing 11 congregants and injuring four police officers.

Bowers’ social media accounts were littered with anti-Jewish hatred and conspiracy theories. He also screamed “All Jews must die” when he confronted law enforcement after committing the massacre.

His shooting spree at the Tree of Life synagogue was an unprecedented act of political anti-Semitic violence on American soil.

But it was not, according to the US government, an act of domestic terrorism.

On Saturday afternoon, federal prosecutors announced that Bowers would face 29 charges, including 11 counts of using a firearm to commit murder and several counts of hate crimes, such as obstructing the exercise of religious beliefs resulting in death and obstructing the exercise of religious beliefs resulting in bodily injury to a public safety officer.

Yet the reason he will not face domestic terrorism charges are simple — no such charge actually exists.

When the Patriot Act was passed in 2001 it was, of course, focused on terrorist attacks from foreign-born individuals attached to terrorist organizations.  

And while it defines “domestic terrorist” there was no actual law passed for that crime:

The law describes domestic terrorism as an attempt to “intimidate or coerce a civilian population; to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping.”

The Atlantic published an article a couple of days ago that describes why this law is not yet on the books:

Modern terrorism in the United States is largely a homegrown phenomenon; even most of the actors charged with isis-related offenses in the U.S. are American citizens or permanent residents. But in the eyes of the law, the connection to an international terrorist group, even if it’s only rhetorical or ideological, matters a great deal.

For domestic actors without such connections, the law—and the intelligence community’s investigative powers—runs up against First Amendment and other civil-liberties protections. The U.S. government does not formally designate domestic terrorist organizations. So it may not be illegal to give money to a domestic extremist group like Aryan Nations, even if some members commit violence.

“The First Amendment protects the right of people to associate with each other,” said Mary McCord, a former acting assistant attorney general for national security at the Justice Department who is currently a professor at Georgetown Law. “And it certainly protects the right for people to express their points of view, political or otherwise.”

“We don’t worry about that with foreign terrorist organizations because foreign terrorist organizations don’t have First Amendment rights under the U.S. Constitution,” McCord said.

So essentially an act of terrorism carried out by an American citizen not connected to a known terrorist group is an act of expression protected by their 1st Amendment rights. 

Thankfully hate crimes and murder are NOT protected by our Constitution so Cesar Sayoc and Robert Bowers are still going away for the rest of their lives. 

However, if they happened to be a brown-skinned immigrant with connections to ISIS it would be for even longer.

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18 Comments

  1. mOOch October 28, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/anthony-scaramucci-explains-trump-called-nationalist-not-reason-think/

    “after speaking with President Donald Trump Sunday, and noted the media apparently doesn’t understand “what he’s doing.”
    “a week ago that the president was announcing he was a “nationalist.” “I talked to the president three hours ago, and he was like, you seem to be the only person who understands what I’m doing,” Scaramucci said. “Try not to give up my playbook. I’m like, well, it’s not that I’m trying to give up your playbook. I wrote a 304-page book about what you did and how you hijacked the base of the Democratic Party. What’s happening is academics, journalists, people that are classically in the elite that the blue-collar people in America feel have more or less done a disservice to them, more or less ignored them” “Quoting Trump’s famous phrase that he could “shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it,” Scaramucci noted that if he could do that, then certainly he could use his position to bring people together and he would also not suffer consequences for it from his base.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/anthony-scaramucci-explains-trump-called-nationalist-not-reason-think/

  2. Anonymous October 28, 2018 at 5:13 pm

    Just look at that thumbnail Gryoh posted, Look long and hard.
    THIS is what we’ve become, for 50+ years of hard work and discussion to make us the greatest nation.
    Not even two years to bury it. Are you PROUD to be an American these days? I sure as hell am not.

  3. Whatevs October 28, 2018 at 5:17 pm

    When Scaramoochie is the only one who understands what you are doing, rest assured what you are doing is wrong or insane.

    • Beaglemom October 29, 2018 at 10:20 am

      Scaramoochie (!) was on the Bill Maher show Friday night, one reason why I only watched a couple of minutes of it. He looks like a nine year-old boy dressed up in classy “adult” clothing and sounds like the idiot he is.

  4. Anonymous October 28, 2018 at 5:27 pm

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/10/anthony-scaramucci-explains-trump-called-nationalist-not-reason-think/

    ““Words do matter,” Reverend Eric Manning told more than 100 parishioners attending the Sunday service. The church planned a prayer vigil for the Pittsburgh victims later at a Holocaust memorial a block away.” “That killing of those Jewish people stems from our leaders,” “We’ve talked about gun control. We’ve talked about the hatred that comes from the president of the United States.”

    https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/28/in-pittsburghs-darkest-hour-2500-attend-synagogue-massacre-memorial.html

    ‘DEFEAT HATE WITH LOVE’

    “This is the darkest hour in our city’s history,” Mayor Bill Peduto declared during Sunday’s service. “But here’s another thing about Pittsburgh. We are resilient. We will work together as one. We will defeat hate with love. We will be a city of compassion and we will be welcoming to all people,” he said to cheers.

    The auditorium of the Soldiers and Sailors Hall, a venue that seats more than 2,300, was filled to capacity with hundreds more people gathered outside the building. Some complained that the confrontational, nationalistic rhetoric of U.S. President Donald Trump has encouraged right-wing extremists and fed a surge in activity by hate groups.’

    “Honestly I think this president’s whole modus operandi is to divide us. He gets up in the morning with new and inventive ways to divide us,”
    U.S. Representative Adam Schiff, a California Democrat who is Jewish, said on CNN’s “State of the Union” broadcast on Sunday.

    • Anonymous October 28, 2018 at 6:24 pm

      Where’s the “I don’t care do u” third wife? Isn’t she against this?
      Or is she adding zeros to the check she’ll get when she’s done pretending?

      • Anon October 28, 2018 at 7:07 pm

        My thoughts exactly. “I don’t care do u” is in vogue.

      • Beaglemom October 29, 2018 at 10:24 am

        This weekend the third wife hosted fifth graders at the White House where they watched a movie as part of her “Be Best” program. I wondered if she wore her infamous jacket to greet the school kids. I think that she owes the country a public apology for having donned that jacket when she was about to travel on our dime to visit the children her husband had separated from their parents at the border.

  5. Anon October 28, 2018 at 5:31 pm

    tinydjt tweet>Just watched Wacky Tom Steyer, who I have not seen in action before, be interviewed by @jaketapper. He comes off as a crazed & stumbling lunatic who should be running out of money pretty soon. As bad as their field is, if he is running for President, the Dems will eat him alive!
    9:03 AM – Oct 28, 2018

    “Steyer told Tapper. “I think if you look across the political scene, what you seen is routine, systematic lawlessness ― an attempt to break … democratic norms in pursuit of victory at all costs.””

    @jaketapper
    Thanks for watching CNN, Mr. President!

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-tom-steyer_us_5bd5efdee4b0a8f17ef8dc2c

  6. Anonymous October 28, 2018 at 6:29 pm

    the system is designed to protect white. wonder how that came about? in Trevor Noah memoir he said that the south afrikkeners actually researched arphitied and then implemented it.

    • Anonymous October 28, 2018 at 7:00 pm

      Apartheid? Yeah, we all saw how that turned out.

  7. chilies October 28, 2018 at 11:32 pm

    Can you post at least once a day about a Palin?

    • $BM October 29, 2018 at 6:52 am

      Chilies – Are ‘U’ Cesar Sayoc ‘ cou*sin? ‘U’ sure seem like it…obsessed…

    • I October 29, 2018 at 8:35 am

      Or what? No $$$? Toss more darts. 😉

  8. Beaglemom October 29, 2018 at 5:17 am

    This dancing around with the First Amendment also reminds me of what I considered the whacky decision of the Supreme Court to protect the Westboro lunatics who protested/protest funerals of people they disapprove of (usually gay people). It seemed to me that the rights of grieving families and friends should supersede the right of mean, crazy people who want only to disrupt funerals and are willing to travel out of state to do so. I guess if you protect the “rights” of the Westboro fanatics, it’s only logical that you would protect the rights of a person to attack and kill people whom that person disapproves of. Right??? To me, that’s crazy.

    Not all shootings of Americans by Americans on American soil are domestic terrorism but this week’s bomb-mailing spree or the massacre in Pittsburgh or the Charleston church massacre a couple of years ago certainly provide all the signs of domestic terrorism. When a person or persons concentrate their attention of murdering specific people who fit that person’s/persons’ notion of what they do not approve of and they’ve made it clear that they want to eliminate a specific group of people for political/religious goals it’s an act of terrorism. It strikes “terror” in the hearts of all other people who fit the description of the hated group and it strikes terror in the hearts of all of us who care about preserving the lives of our fellow citizens.

    It should take some effort to prove “domestic terrorism” but we shouldn’t simply deny that it exists.

  9. Trick or Treat October 29, 2018 at 6:43 am

    OT? Bet Not ” On Halloween 1950, the Allisons recruited their own children and their community’s to go door-to-door collecting nickels and dimes in decorated milk cartons to aid children in post-World War II Europe.”
    ” When UNICEF won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1965, U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson said in his congratulatory letter:
    “Your UNICEF Trick or Treat Day has helped turn a holiday too often marred by youthful vandalism into a program of basic training in world citizenship.”

    NOW IN NIGERIA>IT would be targeting Western charity organizations.
    He claimed they “strongly seek to Christianize the society.” As such, he said, they “exploit the condition of those who are displaced under the raging war, providing them with food and shelter and then Christianizing their children.”
    ISWAP as he wants Boko Haram to be known, was going to target women working for these charities by abducting them, demanding ransom for their release, and executing them when the group’s demands were not met.”
    “They wanted more than a million dollars for each of the women,” “ISWAP, in a short statement that accompanied the video clip, boasted that the organization had “kept our word exactly as we said by killing another humanitarian worker,” and that both Khorsa and Liman were executed because “they are considered murtads [apostates] by the group because they were once Muslims that have abandoned their Islam” by choosing to work with the Red Cross, as if it were a Christian religious organization, which it is not.” “For us, there is no difference between Red Cross and UNICEF,” ““Based on our doctrines,” ISWAP said, “it is now lawful for us to do whatever we want to do with them.”

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/isis-is-alive-in-africa-its-specialty-murdering-women-who-are-trying-to-save-lives?ref=scroll

  10. Anon October 29, 2018 at 8:54 am

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/10/26/general-manager-gureghian-suspect-van-details-bts-ebof-vpx.cnn

    Debra Gurehjian, the general manager of a shop where mail bomb suspect Cesar Sayoc worked as a delivery driver, details what she saw when she was inside of his van.

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